Posted on Aug 12, 2010 - 11:54am by admin in Alt Fuels, Economic Waste, Electric Boondoggle
General Motors now offers to sell you a partially electric-motored car for $41,000. Nissan will sell you an all-electric one for $32,780.
If you are among the few who could even think about forking over that much money for an automobile, here are four questions about what you’re buying:
1) Isn’t it ostrichware? As the smug owner of the Prius pictured at left shouts through his/her vanity plate, isn’t your main motivation for buying a Volt or a Leaf (and Big Brother must be laughing his ass off at that name for an automobile!) to make yourself feel that you’ve thereby done your part to help confront and reform the institutions that are imperiling humanity’s energy and ecological future? And isn’t that a rather pathetic conclusion to draw? Buying a 3,500-pound box of steel, plastic, and lithium is somehow a serious contribution to making a sustainable world? Really?
2) Are you sure it’s not vaporware? The outgoing CEO of GM once said he knew GM “had to have an electric car,” and, by that, he meant he knew it was an important gesture to show that General Motors is changing. No serious analyst of electric cars thinks they will comprise more than ten percent of the U.S. vehicle fleet in the foreseeable future. In fact, it isn’t at all proven that they even could, given their radical demands on our decrepit electricity-transmission infrastructure. So, have you asked yourself whether, by buying an electric car, you might actually be volunteering to serve as a useful rolling distraction on behalf of our corporate overlords, whose intent is to ride cars-first transportation for as long as they possibly can?
3) Where’s your theory of transition? It is inherently un-serious to presume that an individual purchase of any product — not to say a two-ton grocery-fetcher — equals a real contribution to getting humanity decently and humanely across the coming energy transition. No proponent of the electric car ever talks about this, for the excellent reason that cars-first transportation is simply not even imaginably sane, given what we’re up against.
4) Who will fix your crashed Volt or Leaf? What will happen when your battery pack sheers off your frame in a rear-ender? How much will you have to pay to insure against that event and others like it?
6 Responses
David Parsons
August 12th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
11. Nope. I wanted an 100% EV, but my sweetie didn’t want a handmade car, and the 2001 Prius was the only game in town.
2. My sweetie has been driving it for a decade, so it’s not vaporware.
3. The transition is going to be the USA running out of oil and crashing, of course. One little gas-electric car isn’t going to make any difference there.
And the traditional model of recharging an EV is to do overnight trickle-charging, not a multi-megawatt fast charge (and at $40k for the GM gas-electric or $250k for that made in california electric sportscar, you’re not going to see /any/ appreciable additional load on the electric grid from the people who can afford to buy them.)
4. I’d love to see cites for battery packs “shearing off”; they are usually set between the frames of the car, and if you’re hit hard enough to shear the frame there’s not going to be enough /left/ of the car to worry about repairs.
EVs (and gas-electric cars) are quieter than internal combustion cars, plus they’re more powerful. If you’re going to buy a car anyway, those are good reasons to get an EV or gas-electric.
MarkD
August 14th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
2…and quiet vehicles weighing 1000kg and moving at 50kph benefit who? not the poor bastards getting cleaned up by them crossing our roads.
…and who gets to drive these super duper cars? everyone on the planet (egalitare, libertare) or just good folks like you and your sweetie?
just give up your addiction (to the car) – or at least try to cut down.
David Parsons
August 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
31. If someone in an EV splats a pedestrian or bicyclist that didn’t hear them coming, it’s the fault of the driver of the EV, *not* the pedestrian or the bicyclist. If you’re saying that cars need to be equipped with additional mechanical noisemakers to make them “safe”, you’re missing the point by quite a long way.
2. If you’re willing to use some elbow grease, you can get an used EV for under $10,000. The batteries are often the stumbling point (cost+weight) but there are plenty of EV fanatics who have gotten around that problem. And if you’re cash-constrained and aren’t technically handy enough to build one yourself, used Priuses (et al) are available and don’t cost the $23000 that a new one costs.
And GM doesn’t want poor people buying their gas-electric car. They want rich people buying them, so they can use the good publicity to get everyone else to buy their cheaper and junkier gas cars.
3. The problem with automobiles isn’t their direct pollution. It’s easy to engineer that pollution out (the amount of pollution in the LA basin, for example, is not scaling with the number of vehicles and distance travelled there because the state of California had a spasm of sanity and implemented strong pollution control regulations.) It’s that they’re a screamingly expensive & inefficient use of space and time that tend to convert metropolitan areas into sprawled messes that take longer to travel across than it took to travel across the formerly compact city cores by foot or mass transit.
And if the entire US auto fleet was magically converted to swift silent supercars that were powered by the morning dew and that farted rose water, those inefficiencies would not go away.
The morning traffic jam would smell better, that’s for sure, but it would still be a traffic jam, and you’d still be filling parking lots in the gutted remains of downtown.
admin
August 24th, 2010 at 12:16 am
4Ostrichware can’t be judged by one person, of course. It’s a matter of what percentage buys these things and thinks “my part” is done. It’s huge, if you pay attention. Sponsored, but real.
Vaporware is a two-parter: 1. What % of the fleet can ever be “EV”? 2. Where’s the heavy, road-worthy, cars-first all-electric car? It ain’t the Volt. The Tesla costs 3x the Volt.
Point three is where DP, my sweet, you really go off the rails, pun intended. Transition is threatened by every automobile that’s made, whatever the engine. It’s insane to use that much material and fuel for personal mobility.
As for shearing, let’s just wait and see, shall we? I would bet you a ton that electric cars will be worse to insure and repair, if they ever emerge from the vapors, than gassers.
David Parsons
August 24th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
5What, you don’t agree that automobiles are a “screamingly expensive & inefficient use of space and time”, just that they’re expensive to make?
Okay. I’m not sure exactly what the difference is here, but I’ll let you have the point.
Traditionally, EVs haven’t been any more expensive to insure and repair (we are forced to pay for insurance on our filled-with-batteries Prius, and don’t pay additional for that. It’s possible that Farmer’s Insurance is giving us a special low rate because they think we’re all wonderful human beings, but I doubt it.)
I’m afraid you’re just engaged in wishful thinking about hypothetical flaws in EVs. EVs have, after all, been around for about as long as internal combustion cars have, and their flaws are well known. But you’re not mentioning them (range, for instance, is the absolute #1 flaw in an EV; most people might have a commute that’s only 20 miles r/t at the absolute most, but if they forget to recharge the batteries and run out of power 18 miles into that commute they will be /very/ unhappy campers. A second flaw is that batteries have a limited lifespan, and without very picky power management you’re going to burn through your batteries in a handful of years, and even lead acid batteries are expensive to replace) here.
I don’t think there’s going to be a transition. I think there’s going to be a crash, and it’s not going to be delayed even one day because I’m riding my xtracycle down to the store or that a bunch of yahoos at Google have traded their Porsches in for new Tesla sportscars. If 30% of the cars on the road magically become EVs, that gives 30% headroom that can be filled with larger and more inefficient gasoline cars, and that’s going to continue until it comes down to the point where the US government has to choose between fuelling the imperial armies or the SUV of the future.
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